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  • You can learn a lot by searching a word at any online bible site. If you search "death" and "grave" and related words you find that the bible says there is no awareness in the grave. People who talk about "near death" and "life after death" are talking about voodoo, not reality. Even the cutesy stories about Saint Peter at the pearly gates are unbiblical. 

    Jesus didn't go anywhere. He was dead.

  • He preached the gospel.  Seemingly the Faithful before Jesus are held until judgment and He preached to them. But it's not very clear.

  • He went nowhere, as the scripture states:

    Matthew 16:21  From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

    Matthew 17:23  And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.

    Matthew 27:53  And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. 

    Matthew 28:6  He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

    As Job had said:

    Job 21:32  Yet shall he be brought to the grave, and shall remain in the tomb

    Further, Jesus could not of Himself leave, until permission was granted from the Father.

    Luke 9:22  Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

    Notice the order of progression in Luke.

    Acts 2:22  Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

    Acts 2:23  Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

    Acts 2:24  Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. 

    Acts 2:32  This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

    Acts 3:15  And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

    Acts 4:10  Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

    Acts 5:30  The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

    Acts 10:40  Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

    Acts 13:29  And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.

    Acts 13:30  But God raised him from the dead

    Notice what Jesus Himself said:

    Revelation 1:18  I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

    John 20:17  Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

    Jesus was in the grave, for the wages of sin (which He took our sins upon Himself) is death, Romans 6:23, and could not come forth until called by the Father through the archangel Gabriel, who came down clothed with the panopoly of Heaven, in blazing light, shaking the very earth, by command of the Father, and rolled away the tomb, and sat on it (in victory) calling the Son to come forth, thy Father calleth thee, in which Jesus arose and said, I am the Resurrection and the Life.

    That tomb was sealed as anything in the universe, and only God could open it, for not only was it sealed with a stone, sealed with a Roman seal, sealed with Roman guards, sealed with evil angels who wanted Chrsit Jesus captive forever in death, and sealed by the holy angels around them, allowing not to pass to meddle.

    Jesus, on the 6th day, the day of preparation uponn the cross said, "It is Finished." (thus having laid the cornernstone of the true Temple) He entered into the 7th day, the sabbath of the LORD, as had been done at Creation, having 'finished' th work the Father gave Him to do in each, and thus Creation and Redemption meet there forever sealed together.

    Lord of the sabbath.

    It is only when one begins to see by the eyes of faith, and to believe the promise of God in the Everlasting Gospel [Gen 3:15; Rev 14:6, etc], will one begin to understand the texts, being led of the Holy Spirit, for He says, "I WILL..."

    Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner [stone], a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. Isaiah 28:16

    Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. Isaiah 28:17

    Can any not see Christ Jesus in vs 16, but what more in vs 17!

    Jugment also will I lay to the line... what is a line, it is a measuring tool upon the horizontal... as far as the east is from the west; eternal in either direction, straight

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    and righteousness to the plummet... what is a plummet, it is a measuring tool upon the vertical, binding Heaven and earth together [Gen 1:1, vav, aleph, tav]; from highest to lowest, straight

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    The Justice and Righteousness of God, the very Love of God, meet there, forever demonstrated before all the universe... the truest standard of measurement, the perfect 'meter' - God' love, God is love....

    Do we not understand what was there done?, not even but the tiniest fragments of light do we comprehend, for it will be something to contemplate throughout eternity, becoming ever brighter and more glorious in the Light of God's glorious Love.

    Do we not see that John witnessed... the Son of God, living breathing, warm, God touching humanity through humanity, caring, compassionate, tenderhearted...

    ...and with what cruelty we have treated Him, with what disdain we have for His Holy Law, the King of All Justice, Mercy and Love!

    Such a price was paid, knowing in advance that most would even spurn it, and cast it back in His face as worthless, as dung... the blood of the Son of God, pouring from His flesh to uphold the Justice and Love of God together!

    John handled the Word of Life, and knew Him personally... living... personality...

    ...John saw the Son of God heart broken upon the Cross, between Heaven and earth, the atoning sacrifice.

    ...John knew Him when the Son was dead... lifeless.... cold... unmoving...unresponsive... O how the Angels of Heaven must have shed tears, more than any human... to see their Lord so.

    The Father beside His Son, which no mortal eye could see, clothd in thick darkness ...

    Christ Jesus taken down... by the hands of men.

    The Son of God laid in the Tomb, entombed, covered in darkness... blackest midnight... without light... separated from the Father... that we ... we sinners.... we the transgressors of the very Law, for which Christ Jesus died and lay dead, entombed that we might Live in Him... that we might have Light and Life.

    The 7th Day Sabbath, the eternal Memorial of the entombment of the Son of God, completing the work which He was sent to do on behalf of the Father. The Father remembers the price that was to be paid to spare us, and give us another chance to enter into fellowship with Him...

    ...there could be no resurrection without this price having been paid in full.

    Christ prepared Himself for this moment in the preparation day, to pay the wages of sin, to enter into the rest of death. He is the Lord of the Sabbath, Lord of the 7th day, King of Justification, Sanctification and Glorification.

    The grave was the home of Jesus for that time, until His resurrection.

    Job 17:13  If I wait, the grave is mine house: I have made my bed in the darkness.

    Jesus was prisoner of death, for you and for me, until set free by the command of the Father.  Jesus paid His vows, and the Father accepted them, and the everlasting covenant, which was from eternity (between the Father and Son, witnessed by the Holy Ghost/Spirit), was ratified by the blood of the Son, and by the promise of the Father; Psalms 116:14,18; Psalms 61:5.

    Some abuse what Jesus said to the thief, not reading the context, for Jesus had not yet recieved the Kingdom, but in the resurrection went to go receive it and to return, and th thief would rise at the resurrection of the just, and be with Christ in paradise then, and not until Jesus sat upon the Throne of His glory.

    Some abuse the parable of Luke 16, and do not understand the symbols therein, and also do not go back to the beginning in Luke 14 in which Jesus stated that men are rewarded, or recompensed, at the resurrection of the just, which is at the end (only 5 exceptions in all of scripture, Enoch (translated without seeing death), Elijah (also translated), Moses (resurrected by Jesus and glorified, which is why scripture sasy death reigned from Adam to Moses, for Moses was the first one permanently resurrected in the name of the Redeemer, the firsfruits in Christ's own reusrrection in Matthew 27, and Jesus Himself).

    Some abuse what Peter said about 'hell', and not reading the context, nor studying the word itself through the Bible, nor understanding its common usage, as a pit, as one would go 'hell-ing' for potatoes (dig a hole), but even here, those who abuse this word, in their own creeds, do not teach Jesus went to Paradise in the day of his death, citations upon request.

    Some abuse what Peter said about the Jesus preaching to the spirits in prison, but again do not read the context carefully, neither understand the words, 'spirits in prison', and what that means according to scripture, for Jesus was speaking through Noah by the Holy Spirit in Noah's day, see Genesis 6:3, "when the ark was a preparing", while Noah was the "preacher of righteousness", to those humans trapped in the bondage (prison) of sin.

    Jesus said, I was dead ... but is now alive forever more.  He was in the grave, but it had to let Him go, for He could not be holden by it forever (Acts 2:24), but it had hold on Him for those 3 days (part 6th day, all 7th day and part 1st day).

  • John 16:28; Luke 23:42. Only two places for a departed spirit--heaven or hell, and at the time He took the thief to heaven it was not considered an anascenion, which I believe would reqiure the possession of a new physical body, which transpired forty days following His resurrection.

    God's blessings to your Family!

    • Hi Brother Derek, and I thank you for your kind way of communicating so that we can share without discord and maintain unity in the cause of Christ! I agree with you if you're referring to the body sleeping, because "resurrection" is never in reference to the spirit but only to the body. This answers to Paul’s declaration concerning the believer, that “to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.”

      Concerning "judgment," the condemnation is established prior to death and punishment (sentence) is carried out at judgment day (Rev 20:1), all of which is foreknown by God from everlasting, before creating. Hence the passage “he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God” (John 3:18).

      God’s blessings to you!

      • Saying this Robert is to ignore what it says in Ecclesiastes 9:5–6, that tells us that neither the body or the sour (spirit) has any conciousness.  If it was just the body that sleeps then the scripture would have said so, because our soul is our conciousness, the part that is our memory and basically makes us who we are.

        • I understand your reasoning, but I haven't seen Scripture that indicates that the spirit realm is temporal, but instead eternal. Below is a sample of what the Bible commentator community teaches and is what I've come to understand and believe concenring this subject, which shows we know much more after death because we see more after death:

          John Gill: "But the dead know not anything; this is not to be understood of their separate spirits, and of the things of the other world; for the righteous dead know much, their knowledge is greatly increased; they know, as they are known; they know much of God in Christ, of his perfections, purposes, covenant, grace, and love; they know much of Christ, of his person, offices, and glory, and see him as he is; they know much of the Gospel, and the mysteries of it; and of angels, and the spirits of just men, they now converse with.

          "Even they know abundantly more than they did in this life: and the wicked dead, in their separate spirits, know there is a God that judgeth; that their souls are immortal; that there is a future state; indeed they know and feel the torments of hell, the worm that never dies, and the fire that is not quenched: but this is to be interpreted of their bodily senses now extinct, and of worldly things they have now nothing to do with; they know not any thing that is done in this world." 

          • "I understand your reasoning, but I haven't seen Scripture that indicates that the spirit realm is temporal, but instead eternal. Below is a sample of what the Bible commentator community teaches and is what I've come to understand and believe concenring this subject, which shows we know much more after death because we see more after death:"

            Which is totally contrary to what scripture teaches Robert.  I don't understand why you would believe something other to what scripture teaches, no matter who teaches it.  Do you have more faith in John Gill than in God inspired Scripture?  You should know that by now, it is no use quoting anyone else other than the Bible contributors.  Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 is not the only verse that states that the dead know nothing, bit these verses are quite specific.  It is bringing me to the conclusion that you do not regard the Bible, and therefore God's word as true, is that right Robert, would you rather believe John Gill and others, rather than God?

            • I’ve learned that the more I attempt to learn what other professing Christians (esp. theologians who’ve devoted their life studies to Scripture) believe and understand concerning biblical teachings, the more I test my beliefs and understanding too. But if this sharing is not exhortation-based there will be nothing genuinely usable on which to build. 

              Though many believers are often quite distanced in their understanding and beliefs, this shouldn’t interfere with our love and encouragement to one another (John 15:12; Heb 3:13).

              If there is to be conversing in the Word of God, it must be apart from expressing accsations, and in this case no offense taken and none given, and will always respect your fellowship and beliefs within proper settings!

              Wishing You His Best

              Chaplain Robert Hall

              • Absolutely no offense intended Robert and none taken from you.  However I must maintain my view that we cannot cherry-pick what parts of scripture we believe and which we reject, because all scripture is given by God.  This is where we run into trouble and false teachings start to circulate.  We can discuss what God meant by saying this or that where the meaning is not clesr, but in instances of perfect clarity, there is not discussion.  When I do my research, whether it's my creation ministry or any other portion of scripture I have a precept that I use: Start with scripture - Research - End with scripture.

                 

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