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Replacement Theology

If this has been discussed before I apologize but I am interested to know what your thoughts are about this thinking. What do you believe about the Jews and God's plans for them?

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  • Annette, please don't misunderstand my postings on this. And it may be long.

    I have come to realize over the years that not many brethren/sisters in Christ study OT history about God splitting old Israel into two separate kingdoms during the reign of Solomon's son Rehoboam (1 Kings 11). Without understanding how God divided Israel into two separate nations and peoples, what Apostle Paul showed in Romans 11 will not be fully understood. Nor will one rightly understand the relationship between the seed of Israel and God's Church under His Son Jesus Christ.

    The idea of 'Replacement Theology' is a Jewish complaint against Christian Churches that teach God's promises were moved to Christ's Church. Those like Martin Luther were especially believers of that. Regardless of complaints against those like Luther, et al, though, it is somewhat true. Please hear me out.

    Will the unbelieving Jews be saved while still rejecting Jesus Christ? What Christian would say yes? If any believer on Jesus said yes to that, then it would mean a Salvation by works, and not by Faith alone. We are saved only by Faith alone on the Blood of Jesus Christ, and our Faith produces works in Christ.

    If that be false, and instead, that God will save the Jews without... their accepting Jesus Christ, well, that's just not thinkable, nor did Apostle Paul teach that kind of idea in Romans 11. Paul said "if they abide not still in unbelief", then God is able to graff them in again (Rom.11:23). So even the unbelieving Jews must convert to Jesus to be saved.

    The question though is, WHEN will the majority of unbelieving Jews convert to Jesus, since Apostle Paul revealed in Romans 11:25-32 from Isaiah that God is going to in final save them, turning ungodliness from Jacob? Paul revealed that won't be until the 'fulness of the Gentiles be come in', and that means all the way to the day of Christ's 2nd coming.

    Until then, Paul says,"as concerning The Gospel, they are enemies for our sakes, but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes." (Rom.11:28-29)

     

    So what happened to the 12 tribes of Israel?

    Starting in 1 Kings 11, because of Solomon allowing his many wives to bring in their idols and false worship into Israel, God rent the kingdom from Solomon's son, giving Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim ten tribes to rule over in a northern kingdom at Samaria. Solomon's son Rehoboam reigned over a southern kingdom at Jerusalem. The two kingdoms warred against each other until God removed all the ten northern tribes out of the land, captive to Assyria and the lands of the Medes. The Behistun Rock carving on a mountain side in northern Iraq still exists as proof of this captivity of the ten tribes. The tribes of Judah and Benjamin remained in the lands of Judea/Jerusalem and called themselves Jews.

    About 120 years later, because of the Jews' rebelliousness at Jerusalem, God brought the king of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar upon lthem, and removed them captive to Babylon for 70 years. After the 70 years a small remnant of the Jews returned to Jerusalem to rebuild the city, temple, and wall of Jerusalem. The ten tribes never returned, even to this day, but were lost to the Jews and to the world. The larger part of the Jews chose to remain in Babylon, and were furthern scattered in the countries later.

    God ended the reign of the house of David in Jerusalem by the king of Babylon. To this day, there has never been a king of the house of David ruling in Jerusalem since that time of Zedekiah, king of Judah. So that promise ended in Jerusalem. God's promise of Israel being a great number of people ended there in the holy land then also, as only the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi were left in the land after God removed the ten tribes captive to Assyria. In 1 Kings 11, God said He would not "afflict the seed of David" in this forever with splitting Israel into two kingdoms.

    It's very important then, to understand that the ten tribes were lost, and were actually in the majority numbers of the children of Israel. They were scattered among the Gentiles like God promised He would do in Deut.4 & 28 for not following Him. The Jews though, were never lost. The Jews have always kept their idenitity as part of Israel. And the thing is, the Jews still make up only PART of Israel, historically the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and some small remnants of the ten tribes that left the north under Jeroboam.

    After 70 A.D. with the Romans destroying Jerusalem and Herod's temple, the land laid desolate for centuries while The Gospel of Jesus Christ was being spread in Asia Minor and Europe. The comparison of God's blessings between the Christian west and Jerusalem then laying desolate is history, not conjecture, revealing God's promises for Jerusalem were no longer there, and that it had indeed been a house left desolate like our Lord Jesus told the Pharisees (Matt.23).

    Yet in 1 Kings 11, God promised He would always leave one tribe in Jerusalem, for His servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake. That coupled with what Apostle Paul showed in Romans 11 about God eventually removing the "spirit of stupor" He put upon them, when the fulness of the Gentiles be come in, that proves that God has not forgotten the Jews, and that they will eventually turn to Jesus as a people. This is further proven by OT prophecy of the future joining of both houses back together into one kingdom again (Ezekiel 37).

     

    There is much propaganda against this today, yet this is Bible history, and archaeological history.

     

  • What does Romans 11:17 tell you?

  • There are people who oppose Israel and Jerusalem, and they believe that God will not do anything about it. All I can say is...Oh, yes He will.

    No longer will they call you Deserted, or name your land Desolate. But you will be called Hephzibah, and your land Beulah; for the Lord will take delight in you, and your land will be married. (Isaiah 62:4)

    Hephzibah means "my delight is in her".

    God's Love,

    Mary

    • I wish it was only so called enemies of God that oppose the Jews. There are many who profess to know Christ who are extremely anti Israel. Even Martin Luther  while he started out being for the Jews and Israel they did not respond to the gospel as he thought they should and he became very anti-semitic. Replacement Theology at it's core is as well.

      • There are some really surprising organisations in the frame when it comes to opposing Israel, they include:

        WCC Chooses Jordan to Launch Initiative to Put End for Israeli Occupation

        The World Churches Council (WCC) has chosen Jordan to launch an international initiative that calls on international churches to put an end for Israeli occupation of the Palestinian and Arab lands to reach just and comprehensive peace in the region. [Petra News Agency Monday, June 18, 2007]

        Christian Aid

        Information for 2014 from NGO Monitor - www.ngo-monitor.org/article/christian_aid_uk  version of events.

        Christian Aid has been running a long campaign against Israel, wholeheartedly propagating the Palestinian Authority version of events.  

        Did you know?  The popular branding 'Fairtrade' that promotes trade from the third world, was set up by Christian Aid?  But did you realise it was set up by Christian Aid, among other NGOs and some churches are using proceeds from Fairtraid events to finance "Christian Aid's work in Palestine"

        The Amos Trust

        For Christmas 2007, the Amos trust was marketing its own Israel hatred propaganda products, including the olivewood nativity scene with a twist, a stomach churning anti-wall song in MP3 format and a pack for use in church at Christmas services.

        The Walled Nativity, A nativity set with a difference - this year the wise men won't get to the stable. Poignant, ironic and made in Bethlehem.

        World Vision

        World Vision is another charity that appeals to Christians to support its humanitarian work but which appears, judging by this issue of its magazine, to be campaigning against Israel and for what it perceives to be the rights of the Palestinians.

        Red Cross

        International Red Cross plants trees to honor Palestinian terrorists

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        For more information see:  http://www.wildolive.co.uk/christians_against_israel.htm

    • Amen Mary, I think this has been shown over the past sixty years, Israel, the smallest country in the Middle-east, became the 'Mouse that Roared', beaten off the attacks and the huge weight of the whole Arab world who want to raze her from the surface of the Earth, but God has said, "NO!"

  • Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I was not familiar with that term until four years ago. It is also the belief that The Church replaces the Jews and that the Lord is finished with them. I do agree that it is very unbiblical but some very prominent Christian teachers even if they don't use the term, teach such things. I also agree with the thought that the root of this teaching is satan's hatred of the Jewish people. 

    We have so much to thank the Jews for... including the Scriptures and the Messiah Himself. 

    I have many thoughts on this topic but wanted to get a sense of yours. Thanks for taking the time to respond. 

  • Replacement Theology is believing the Jews are no longer God's chosen people, and God does not have specific future plans for the nation of Israel. I reject this completely. It is unscriptural, of course. It's kind of a liberal rejection of most of the Bible. The Jews are God's chosen people throughout the Bible, and Israel is God's chosen land. Without the Jews, we wouldn't have the background  for all of the happenings in the New Testament, and the Old Testament was completely about the Jews.

    I believe the root of Replacement Theology is satan's hatred of the Jewish people, and this comes forth thru the abuses and hatred of the Jews down thru history- from the Inquisitions thru Hitler's holocost to the modern day BDS movement  which is to use Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions to try and force Israel to put an end to the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories captured during the 1967 military campaign. No Religion has been more hated, and feared, than the Jews.

    • Thank you Rolf, and I entirely agree with you.  Israel continues to be blessed by God, and the return to their traditional homeland is prophesied in the scriptures, as was the dispersion after the Romans tried to obliterate the nation of Israel.  Despite their dispersion across the face of the Earth, God kept the Jews separate, as an identifiable nation with no home, that fact is amazing in itself.  God has strengthened Israel, making it the most powerful force in the Middle East, and the smallest country, powerful way beyond its size. 

      Ever since I accepted Jesus as my Saviour I have had a love for Israel, even before I met and married Dawn (who is from Jewish stock).  Anyone who professes to be a Christian, yet denies Israel, cannot be a friend of God.  Jesus was Jewish, surely that fact alone tells us that Israel is God's favoured nation, how can we accept Jesus and hate the Jews?

  • I can't say I am familiar with tha phrase 'Replacement Theology' it may be something that is specific to the US, so maybe you could expand on what you mean Annette.

    I do believe that the Jews remain God's special nation, and God's plan is the same for the believers in Judaism as it is for the rest of us.  There is a irony here though, the Jews and Messianic Jews continue to obey God's laws, which I believe blesses God, the modern day Christians have the free pass of Salvation, earned for us by Jesus, but continue in disobedience to God.  So there is a dilemma here; will God forgive those of His chosen through grace, or will He judge them harshly, because they have obeyed His primary laws?

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