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The forgotten Commandment

In all of God's word, there is the Commandment which is forgotten the most, and put out of the mind more often than any other in all of the Bible, and the devil has placed every distraction, every 'reason', and every thing, including the kitchen sink, to keep God's people from "Remember[ing]" it.

That Commandment, is the 4th Commandment:

Exo 20:8  Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Exo 20:9  Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

Exo 20:10  But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Exo 20:11  For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This commandment begins with the very word "Remember" (zäkhôr; H2142 - זכור ), for God sees the end from the beginning, and the hearts of man turning away from Him.

The 'Christian' world, at large (though some exception) has forgotten God's word in this matter, and have put it aside as of no consequence.  Many will choose their own day apart from God's own day, and others will say it doesn't matter any more, or give another excuse, but these types of attitude were not the attitude of Jesus, neither the disciples, neither of Paul, and others afterward.

In the last days, a message goes forward which will bring the final harvest of this earth's history:

Rev 14:6  And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people
Rev 14:7  Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters
Rev 14:8  And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 
Rev 14:9  And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 
Rev 14:10  The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 
Rev 14:11  And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 
Rev 14:12  Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 

For many are worshipping in the last days, but it is the worship of confusion (Babylon), for notice how God sends the message to "worship him", which means that many that this message goes to are worshipping something/someone else other than Him, and He sends the reminder to "Remember", even quoting from the 4th Commandment itself, "made heaven, and earth, and the sea ...", and all that in them is, which is "the fountains of waters".

Many Christians, which claim to follow Jesus, have been duped into following another, and another's will for their lives.  God winks at the ignorance, and in love sends truth and light, so that we may choose Him above another.

Jesus spoke of the Gospel and Kingdom, as likened unto a Sowing and Harvest in Matthew 13:1-33,36-43.  In Matthew 24 & 28, we see the same Gospel going into all the world, "for a witness" (a demonstration of the victory in Christ Jesus over sin, a death to selfishness), as in Matthew 24:14, 28:18-20, which we find in the first angels message in Revelation 14:6 (which repeats what message was given in Revelation 10:1-11).  Thus the 144000 thousand are seen in Revelation 14:1-5, just before these messages are given to the world, and they which preach this message, bring the harvest, for Jesus said:

Mat_13:39  The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

And thus in Revelation 14:6-12, we see three angels (3 messengers with a unified message) that are sowing the Gospel, while time lasts (Revlation 10:7, for soon it is to be "finished", and night cometh when no man can Gospel "work"), to bring the Harvest fortold, Revelation 14:13-20.

What are your reasons for disobedience to this explicit Commandment of God once you know?  God gives time.  God is patient, and God is long-suffering, but is not endlessly suffering, not endlessly pleading (Genesis 6:3; even as it was in the day of Noe..).  Sin has a limit (James 1:15). God will give understanding and light to those who ask, but woe to those who knew their master's will and did not do it (Psalms 40:8) and fought against it (Acts 5:39).

How does the Bible define "sin"?  See and ask John the beloved, 1 John 3:4.  Ask Paul, Romans 7:7.  Ask James, 2:11-12.

God is calling to His people to Remember him as the Creator, for without the Creator, there can be no Redemption, no Re-Creation.  Without the Sanctifier, there can be no redeeming from corruption and unrighteousness to living in holiness and righteousness.

Many accept Jesus as the sacrifice, but not as their LORD, and have another in that place, but Jesus said:

Joh 14:15  If ye love me, keep my commandments

And He just quoted from the Ten Commandments:

Exo 20:6  And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

This is without question.

Jesus gave the example of the righteous sinless life:

1Jn_2:6  He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

1Pe_2:21  For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

And how then did Jesus, the sinless, walk?

Luk 3:21  Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, 
Luk 3:22  And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased

Luk 4:1  And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 

Luk 4:14  And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 
Luk 4:15  And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. 
Luk 4:16  And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read
Luk 4:17  And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 
Luk 4:18  The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 
Luk 4:19  To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Do any have any excuse, whether they think thy can find one in scripture, to contradict those words?  Do they think Paul will help them over into disobedience?  Do they think John will or Peter, or even OT prophets?  Do any think they can find any amount of 'reasoning' to contradict the pure example of Jesus, filled with the Holy Ghost, baptized even?

There is no excuse we can give.  There is no place in scripture to negate what God has set in example, even from Genesis 2:1-3.  There is no place in scripture which alters what God uttered out of His own mouth (Psalms 89:34) and wrote with His own finger (Exodus 31:18; Deuteronomy 9:10; Luke 11:20; Matthew 12:28).  It is written:

Act 17:29  Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. 
Act 17:30  And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent

Act 14:15  And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein
Act 14:16  Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways. 

The 7th day is the Holy Sabbath of the LORD thy God.  There is no other day like it.

Pro_18:13  He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

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  • The Laws have all been fullilled by Jesus.   Jesus is the sabbath under the New Covenant.

  • Thank you for sharing tge TRUTH....Happy early  SABBATH sister...

  • People love to debate this but its not a debate it is written by the finger of GOD himself...The 4th commandment is as equal as ALL of the comnandments...

  • Hmmmm you assuming that we are obliged to put ourselves under the law. If one is going to do that then they are to obeyiing all 613 laws that are part of the Law of Moses which include the ten. That is a whole other discussion.

    As for your question What is your personal 'reason' as listed above (or if not listed, please list it so it may be added), and does anyone see any contradictions concerning the above 'reasons'?

    My personal reasons include many of the ones mentioned. The blood and resurrection of the Lord Jesus is what makes all the difference. Scripture is full of explaining why we are not under the law anymore. The book of Romans lays is out well.


    • Hmm, you are assuming, I was assuming, when I was most certainly not.

      Search as you might in the scripture (KJB), you will never find '613' anywhere.  It is a talmudic, rabbinic number, having nothing whatsoever to do with scripture, and there are differing listings.  You got the idea from 'men', not from God.

      The Bible explicity says:

      [1] The Greatest commandment:

      Mat 22:36  Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 
      Mat 22:37  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 
      Mat 22:38  This is the first and great commandment. 

      [2] the second greatest commandment:

      Mat 22:39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 
      Mat 22:40  On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. 

      By the way, do you know where Jesu directly cited those from?  They are found in Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:17-18, which is in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments.

      [3] the Ten Commandments:

      Exo_34:28  And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
      Deu_4:13  And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
      Deu_10:4  And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

      And thus, you will never find any other listing such as the man-made, delieated, mythical '613'.  By the way, did you even bother to count the commandments of the NT the same way as you apparently borrowed for the old?  There are over 1000 in the NT if you want to play that childish and rebellious game.

      The Ten Commandments are God's Law, spoken from Heaven, by God's own voice, written with His own finger, in glorious majesty, upon the mountain surrounded by ten thousand times ten thousand of angels.

      I noticed you said 'personal reaosons', rather than scriptural.

      The blood of Jesus, is proof of the eternality of the Ten Commandments, for it is written:

      Isa_42:21  The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

      The blood of Jesus, shed, ratifies the Everlasting Covenant (which existed from eternity), and for ever sustains God's Law.  Death for sin, 1 John 3:4, even as Paul said:

      Rom 3:31  Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

      Pretned all you like, but Paul just said that the Christian establishes the Law of God, the Ten Commandments.  For those who erroneous think that the Ten Commandments are the old covenant, Romans 3:31, Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10, etc shows it is not so, and more than this even if necessary.

      Rom_7:7  What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

      You want to understand Romans?, for presently you do not, at all, and have need someone teach you even the first principles of it.

      Rom_3:19  Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

      You do not even understand the phrase "under the law" and what it means according to Romans.

      Rom_6:15  What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

      What is "sin" according to Paul, James, John, Jesus?  See 1 John 3:4.  It is clear, but to all who choose to remain obstinately blind.

      Some will even bother to cite Romans 14 incorrectly, not taking heed to what Peter said about Paul (2 Peter 3:16)

      Who is doing the "esteem[ing]" in Romans 14, God or man?

      Romans 14:5 KJB - One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.​

      What did Jesus say:

      Luke 16:15 KJB - And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.​

      Paul throughout Romans 1-13, 15-16, etc and in every other epistle he wrote, magnified the Ten Commandments as to be obeyed by those in Christ Jesus, by the Holy Spirit:

      Even at the beginning of Romans 14 [and yea, all of Romans], we see that we are dealing not with the abolition or setting aside of any of God's 10 Commandments or Health Laws in Diet, in any manner, as may be witnessed throughout [Romans 1:18, 3:31, 6:1-23, 7:7,12,14,16, 8:4-14, 9:6-8,27,31,32, 11:1-36, 12:1,2,5,9, 13:8-14, 15:1-27, 16:17-19], for Paul clearly says, “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.” [Romans 3:31].

      ...the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men ...” [Romans 1:18;p] [“All unrighteousness is sin ...” [1 John 5:7;p]] [“ it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:” [Romans 11:26;p]]

      How did Paul teach about the Law, Ten Commandments, and Sin and Transgression just in the Book of Romans?

      “...keep the righteousness of the law ...” [Romans 2:26;p]

      “...if it fulfil the law ...” [Romans 2:27;p]

      “...we establish the law ...” [Romans 3:31;p]

      “... we are buried with him by baptism into death...that like as Christ was raised up... even so we also should walk in newness of life.” [Romans 6:4;p]

      “...our old man is crucified...we should not serve sin.” [Romans 6:6;p]

      “...he that is dead is freed from sin.” [Romans 6:7;p]

      “ that he died, he died unto sin...he liveth unto God.” [Romans 6:10;p]

      “...reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.” [Romans 6:11;p]

      “Let not sin therefore reign...” [Romans 6:12;p]

      “Neither yield ye your members [as] instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members [as] instruments of righteousness unto God.” [Romans 6:13]

      “... shall we sin...God forbid.” [Romans 6:15;p]

      “Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?” [Romans 6:16]

      “... ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.” [Romans 6:16;p]

      “...made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.” [Romans 6:18;p]

      “ ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.” [Romans 6:19;p]

      “ were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.” [Romans 6:20;p]

      “...fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things [is] death.” [Romans 6:21;p]

      “...made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.” [Romans 6:22;p]

      “... the wages of sin [is] death...” [Romans 6:23;p]

      “...[Is] the law sin? God forbid...I had not known sin, but by the law...I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.” [Romans 7:7;p]

      “...the commandment, which [was ordained] to life ...” [Romans 7:10;p]

      “...the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.” [Romans 7:12;p]

      “For we know that the law is spiritual ...” [Romans 7:14;p]

      “...I consent unto the law that [it is] good.” [Romans 7:16;p]

      “That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” [Romans 8:4]

      “...they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.” [Romans 8:5;p]

      “ be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.” [Romans 8:6;p]

      “...the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.” [Romans 8:7;p]

      “...they that are in the flesh cannot please God.” [Romans 8:8;p]

      “...we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.” [Romans 8:12;p]

      “...if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” [Romans 8:13;p]

      “...the law of righteousness.” [Romans 9:31;p]

      “...Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.” [Romans 12:9;p]

      “Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.” [Romans 13:8]

      “For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” [Romans 13:9]

      “Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.” [Romans 13:10]

      “...cast off the works of darkness...” [Romans 13:12;p]

      “Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.” [Romans 13:13]

      “...make not provision for the flesh, to [fulfil] the lusts [thereof].” [Romans 13:14;p]​






      ... continued ...

      How did Paul feel about the Ten Commandments, the Law, in other places?

      “...Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise; ) [Ephesians 6:2]

      “...the law [is] good, if a man use it lawfully ...” [1 Timothy 1:8;p]

      “For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.” [Galatians 2:18]​

      Paul, in many of his Epistles [not even counting the Gospels, or the Epistles of others] lists and exemplifies the very Ten Commandments as relevant for the Christian, who are the ones which love GOD and man:


      [01.] For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) [1 Corinthians 8:5] But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him. [1 Corinthians 8:6]

      [02.] But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood. [Acts 15:20] Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. [Acts 17:29] Neither be ye idolaters, as [were] some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. [1 Corinthians 10:7] Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. [1 Corinthians 10:14] Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. [1 Corinthians 12:2] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. [2 Corinthians 6:16] For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; [1 Thessalonians 1:9] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, [Galatians 5:20] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. [Galatians 5:21] For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. [Ephesians 5:5] Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: [Colossians 3:5]

      [03.] For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written. [Romans 2:24] But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. [Colossians 3:8] Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. [Ephesians 5:4] Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and [his] doctrine be not blasphemed. [1 Timothy 6:1]

      [04.] But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down. [Acts 13:14] And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, [Ye] men [and] brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on. [Acts 13:15] Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with [his] hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience. [Acts 13:16] And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath [the Gentiles asked to hear the message on Sabbath, the 7th day, for more than Jews kept the HOLY Day of the LORD]. [Acts 13:42] And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city [“Jews and Gentiles”] together to hear the word of God. [Acts 13:44] For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day [for there were many Strangers seeking GOD and kept Sabbath, but were not yet circumcised to become a full Jew, see Isaiah 56:6]. [Acts 15:21] And on the sabbath we [We, being Paul and Luke [a converted gentile physician/historian]] went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made [Prayer being made on the Holy Sabbath out in nature]; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted [thither]. [Acts 16:13] And Paul, as his manner was [just as JESUS], went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, [compare Luke 4:16] [Acts 17:2] And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. [Paul kept Sabbath every week for 1 ½ years (78 est. Sabbaths), see Acts 18:11 in a house connected to the Synagogue, the next best thing after removing himself from the Synagogue, see Acts 18:7, JESUS also foretold that many would be evicted from them, see John 16:2, but they continued to keep the 7th Day Sabbath of the 4th Commandment in homes, out in nature, etc.] [Acts 18:4] For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. [Hebrews 4:4] And in this [place] again, If they shall enter into my rest. [Hebrews 4:5] Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: [Hebrews 4:6] Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. [Hebrews 4:7] For if Jesus [Joshua] had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. [Hebrews 4:8] There remaineth [Apoleipo, (passive voice) to be left behind for others, remain unchanged, be reserved, in this case NOT meaning “abandoned”] therefore [ie, because of the already given argument and example of the wilderness in Hebrews 3-4, in that they (Israel; the first generation people) entered not into the promised land because of unbelief and through unbelief failed to keep the commandments of GOD] a rest [Sabbatismos, literally keeping Sabbath] to the people of God [ie. Christians, Spiritual Israel are to keep the 7th Day Sabbath, for as we enter into the rest given by CHRIST JESUS, we are then able to cease from our sins and works to obtain salvation, abide in HIM, and we trust/rest in HIM and obey HIM when HE asks us, "if ye love me keep my commandments" as is found in Exodus 20:6 and John 14:15]. [Hebrews 4:9] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his. [Hebrews 4:10] Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. [Hebrews 4:11]

      [05.] Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. [Ephesians 6:1] Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise; ) [Ephesians 6:2] That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth. [Ephesians 6:3] Children, obey [your] parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord. [Colossians 3:20]

      [06.] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, [Romans 1:29] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. [Romans 1:32] For this, ... Thou shalt not kill, ... and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." [Romans 13:9;p]

      [07.] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery...and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." [Romans 13:9;p] Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord. [Colossians 3:18] Husbands, love [your] wives, and be not bitter against them. [Colossians 3:19]

      [08.] "...a man should not steal, dost thou steal?" [Romans 2:21;p] "For this, ... Thou shalt not steal,...and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." [Romans 13:9;p] Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with [his] hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. [Ephesians 4:28]

      [09.] "...Thou shalt not bear false witness...and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." [Romans 13:9;p] Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; [Colossians 3:9]

      [10.] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, [Romans 1:29] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. [Romans 1:32] What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. [Romans 7:7] "For this, ... Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." [Romans 13:9;p] But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; [Ephesians 5:3] Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: [Colossians 3:5] "[Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness..." [Hebrews 13:5;p]

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      • I am curious. You said I got the idea for the 613 commandments of the law as given to Moses. I confess that I have never counted them. Have you? When scripture speaks of THE LAW it is speaking about the commandments that were given to Israel via Moses... it's THE LAW, one thing. Which is why I believe if you are going to say one has to keep them one has to keep ALL of them. Do you? Some believe The Law is divided into ceremonial law and such. Do you? 


        • I doubt your 'curiousness', but see it as the trap of the pharisees, not asking to know, but asking to cause to stumble, to accuse.  It is even built into your question, but I will answer you according to scripture.

          You did get the idea of '613' from men, as it is not given in scripture, anywhere, otherwise you would produce the text, but I know it is a fools errand to even attempt it.  I do desire you to be honest about where you got the idea.  Can you tell me plainly that you did not get it from scripture?  You say that you did not count, which means you merely took someone else's word for it.  That is exactly what scripture warns against doing.  Also you said that 'you' did not count.  Exactly.  You are thinking about 'you' counting.  Your counting would be private interpretation, and come up with a differing number and listing than others.  The scripture is clear, it is not 'we', but 'God' who interprets (Genesis 40:8; 2 Peter 1:20, etc).

          The question, 'Have you [counted ...]"? is non-sensical.  That would be relying upon my wisdom rather than God's thus saith the Lord in the matter.  Are you attempting to make of me another 'rabbi', and another 'Rav', another 'RaMBaM', or 'RaMBaN', 'Pirke', etc, that I may have my own numeration, my own counting, listing?  That would be private interpretation, and I am told specifically not to do that, for in the very next breath you then tell me, 'one' 'Law' (torah), which it is, a whole unit.

          Now, you specifically said:

          "... When scripture speaks of THE LAW it is speaking about the commandments that were given to Israel via Moses...  ..."

          And yet the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were not given through Moses, at all.

          The Ten Commandments (notice, specifically Ten; Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13, 10:4) were spoken by God directly to all, with no mediator in between.  All present at Mt Sinai heard the words, and more than 'israel[ites]', more than 'Jews' were there, for a mixed multitude came with, including Egyptians, etc.

          Deu_4:12  And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.

          Does the text say that the Ten Commandments were spokn to Moses to give to the people?  No.  God Himself physically came down upon mount Sinai and spoke the words "from Heaven":

          Exo_20:22  And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.

          The Ten Commandments are not of this earth, they are above and beyond this earth.  There is nothing carnal in them, nothing temporary, but entirely spiritual, even eternal (Romans 7:14; Psalms 111:7-8, etc).

          In fact, the Ten Commandments are the very transcript of God's own Name, His own perfect character (Exodus 33:12-23, 34:1-9, 20:5-7; 1 Samuel 25:25; Matthew 1:21, etc) written by His own finger (the Holy Spirit; Exodus 31:18; Deuteronomy 9:10; Luke 11:20; Matthew 12:28).  God (His perfect chracter) never changes (Malachi 3:6; Psalms 102:27; Hebrews 1:12, 13:8), and that which was spoken by God for all, came from His heart, for out of the abundance of the heart (where the character is) the mouth (the Word of God, Jesus), speaketh.  It was Jesus Himself speaking those words, and they are spirit and they are life, as Jesus cited them again in John 14:15, from Exodus 20:6.

          You seem confused about what was written (by God) on Sapphire Tables of Stone from the Throne of God itself, and that which was written on other material by Moses at God's instruction.  The one was placed in the Ark, and the other was palced outside of the ark.

          The Throne of God is eternal.  The Sapphire Law was carved from it.  Even when the first set of stones was broken to pieces, the words remained preserved (Psalms 12:6-7), as they are eternally in the Heavens (Psalms 50:6, 97:6, 119:89,172, etc); in the real Ark, in the Heavenly Sanctuary (Hebrews 8:1-2).  The Ten Commandments in scripture are called one "word" (Deuteronomy 4:2), and they are the "whole" "duty" of "man" (Adam; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14).

          Notice, God spake the Ten Commandments, wrote them, and "added" nothing more:

          Deu_5:22  These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

          They are distinct and separate from any other thing in scripture.  Nothing else is like unto them.

          Even scripture delineates the two, in "spiritual", and the "canral" things, such as "carnal ordinances" (Hebrews 9:10), which were merely shadows, types, etc.  The scripture, never, not once, calls the Law of God, the Ten Commandments, 'ordinances', Ever, but always wither Law or commandments.  The scripture never refers to them as 'carnal', but always 'spiritual'.  The scripture never refers to God's Ten Commandments as 'shadow', but instead, they are always in their entirety, "light" (Proverbs 6:23; Isaiah 8:20, etc).  The scripture refers to God's law as dealing with the matters of the heart (moral), and never 'ritual' (ceremonial).

          2306170747?profile=RESIZE_710xNow, you ask the question which all anti-nominians ask, and is really a self-hypocritical question, for it needs to be asked of yourself.

          James said, speaking of the Ten Commandments (contetx), that if even one of them is broken (transgressed), then they are all broken (as they are a united Law, demonstrable upon request for any one of them), see James 2:8-12.

          God expects, by the strength provided in Christ Jesus, and through the power of the Holy Ghost/Spirit, to obey Him in redemption, even as it is written (Romans 8:4; Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14; John 14:15, 15:14, etc.).  Thus He not only 'bought' many in Righteousness, but 'brought' many to righteousness (right-doing, ie obedience to God's commandments).

          Rom_5:19  For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

          The real power of the Everlasting Gospel.  Not saved in sin.  Save "from" sin.  Entirely.

          Now, you mean to ask me, if I keep the other laws of the OT., and this requires a two fold answer, for there are types, and there are anti-types.

          For instance, Paul said:

          1Co 5:7  Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 
          1Co 5:8  Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 

          Thus I am not in any way to attempt to keep the feasts of God in their type.  That would be to reject Jesus Christ, the reality and substance.  Many try to keep the feasts (on wrong dates, Hillell II  rabbincal fixed, error), but they try to reckon by typical times, and not according as it is not by anti-typical, as Paul said we are to keep.

          So the two errors are:

          [1] cast aside the feasts altogether

          [2] attempt to keep the types (and thrown in a bit of Jesus, a perverse mixure of shadow and reality).

          The truth is we are to keep the anti-type in and with Christ Jesus.  For instance, I no longer look for a set day in the year to celebrate 'passover' in the type, for the reality has comne in Christ Jesus, and He is my passover, since AD 31 until now.  I no longer look for a set day of typical Pentecost to come, I know from Acts, Revelation, that the true Pentecost has already come, and is still in fulfilling (early and latter).  Yet there were remaining 'fall' feasts that I can discuss if need be, but we are to read and keep those again in the same light.  For instance, the Day of atonement (the real one) is right now (Revelation 14:6-7) while the Gospel is going forward, until such time as night cometh when no man can work, and the mystery of God is "finished" (when the 7th Millennium begins on earth (a short space), and Jesus returns to takes us to Heaven).

          There are other things, such as stoning the sabbath breaker (yes we are still to do this, but its a matter of when, where, etc in its anti-type), no kindling fires on Sabbath (again same thing), etc.  I have the answer to all of those things, in quite some detail, but you have to desire to hear them.  Otherwise, all the light I share, you will be more responsible before God for having heard and rejected them.


          Lev_21:9  And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.

          Is this to be carried out?  Yes, but again, in its greater anti-type, see Revelation 17:16, etc.

          So, do I keep them?  Yes and no, depending on how you ask the question and define the terms.  Typically (as in type), no.  Antitypically (reality, substance), yes.

          It doesn't matter what I believe, it only matters what scripture says on the matter of whether or not God makes distinction.  The list (picture) above shows God does indeed make distinction.

          There is difference between 'spiritual' (Romans 7:14) and 'ritual' (aka ceremonial; Numbers 9:3).

          Notice the word of God makes the delineation:

          2Ch 33:8  Neither will I any more remove the foot of Israel from out of the land which I have appointed for your fathers; so that they will take heed to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses

          [1] God's commanded by His own voice, written by His own finger, a "whole law", the Ten Commandments,

          [2] and that which was written by the hand of Moses, "ordinances", etc.

          Again, notice the "ordinance" of the worldly (earthly) sanctuary, of the "carnal" things:

          Eze 45:14  Concerning the ordinance of oil, the bath of oil, ye shall offer the tenth part of a bath out of the cor, which is an homer of ten baths; for ten baths are an homer:

          Num 9:3  In the fourteenth day of this month, at even, ye shall keep it in his appointed season: according to all the rites of it, and according to all the ceremonies thereof, shall ye keep it. 

          This is never said about God's Ten Commandments, as He calls it "my Law" (Exodus 16:4; Isaiah 51:7; Jeremiah 6:19, 9:13, 16:11, 26:4, 31:33 ...).

          So what I believe is inconsequential in the light of what God plainly and directly says, or inspired others to say, write.  His word is truth (John 17:17; Psalms 119:142,151,172,174,176).

          • First off, I owe you an apology. My heart was not responding in love. I admit that your posts are overwhelming to me because they are not presented clearly and become confusing because you seem to go in different directions and expound far greater than one can take in for a discussion. We all learn from others and because we (if we are true followers of Christ) have the Holy Spirit indwelling us we are never having to interpret scripture on our own. He does that for us. You are correct in that I took man's word for the fact that there are 613 laws in The Law. You obviously love to dig into the Word and that is terrific. 

            • No worries, sister, as I am only looking for true dialogue, and study in the scripture.  I am willing to personally take the time to answer honest questions, and even some which are not, just for the sake of getting the truth of the matter out there.  No hard feelings.  This, and many other subjects I like to share about, and so, if you have any questions, comments, or about this or that, which pertain to you (ie you personally wan to know or consider), let us do so.

              I understand differences of persons, their varied backgrounds, and even ways of thinking, but as God's people, all should be able to come to the word in humility, and ask, God, what do you say, and then in the same mind, the mind of Christ Jesus, accept what it says, and carry it out, that there may be no divisions within the body, in thought, word or deed.

              I also understand that many simply do not know certain things, as I also used to not know.  I had to take the time, seeking after God's answer, and then the real test of accepting it into the life, for His commandment is life.

              So, as you have said, in regards the Holy Ghost/Spirit, it is true that the He will guide us into all truth (John 16:13), and the scripture defines what truth is (Psalms 119:142,151; Proverbs 25:10; John 17:17; Deuteronomy 32:4; John 14:6; 1 John 5:6), and those who love God, rejoice in the truth (1 Corinthians 13:6), for they have love of the truth (2 Thessalonians 2:10), for truth as set them free (John 8:32) from sin, darkness, error, lies, etc.

              Yes, I love to study God's word, and more even with others who love to study therein.  Powerful, awesome and wonderful things has God revealed to myself and others who have gotten together and prayerfully studied, things never before understood by myself (nor them) - both things in the natural world, and things spiritual, things of the past in history, things of the present and things of the future.  I know what is coming sister, in their order.  Most are simply not ready for it, and most distracted (by the enemy of all) looking the other way, and most do not even know what to do for it.  I desire you, and anyone reading, to not be surprised, not to be unprepared.  I would even share with you all God has given to me, freely.

              So, if you desire, as I once did, to ask God, what about this 4th Commandment, the 7th day the sabbath, and any text in all of scripture we can look at (on this subject), closely, and any question, sincerely, asked, I have no fear of looking with you, for I can say, I have more than likely already asked the questions myself.  God giveth wisdom:

              Jas_1:5  If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

              So long ago, maybe 10 years now, after falling upon my knees in bitter weeping for conviction (by the power and might of His Holy Spirit) of my heinous sins, crimes black in the catalogue of crimes amongst humanity, I asked the Lord Jesus to save me, and to deliver me from so great a death, saying, "Lord Jesus I don't want to die, save me", and I was aware of the presence of God in my room that night, and I remember it vividly, and it is still with me, and later as I learned more and more from God, this question of the sabbath came to me, truly a test of my willingness to follow the Lamb withsoever He went, and after spending days almost without sleep searching here and there, reading this and that, watching this, listening to that, and even a friend handing me material, I was at a loss, and so got upon my knees, turning wholly to God, asking, Lord Jesus what is the truth for I do not know, I cannot see my way past the arguments, the reasons (for my mind was not yet wholly clear then, coming from the deepest pits of depravity, and gross darkness, malevolent evil), what do you want me to do?

              God answered that prayer sister.

              He has never stopped answering that prayer, and has answered it more abundantly than I can possibly ever have imagined.  He has opened the windows of Heaven, and poured out rivers, even cataracts of truth.

              My deep concern, is that people might take another approach and say, well that's fine and dandy for you, and good for you, but it doesn't matter to my life (regarding the commandment), and to each their own not to begrduge another.  That is an eternally deadly dangerous attitude that I see prevalent today, and moreso, as a reaction to seeing the evidences presented, which are unanswerable according to scritpure, to reasoning, to all that is true.

              I pray thaty you are not so one, but are one, who will be bold enough to come to the throne of God's grace, and sincerely with all, ask God, What is the truth of the matter? and be willing to consider what is shared with you from God (even if it never comes from me).

              • Thank you for being gracious. Keep seeking HIM, keep digging into the Word and praying, He is faithful to grow us in faith and knowlege of Him. No need to worry about me, seriously. This wretched sinner has been granted new life through in Christ quite some time ago through the blood and resurrection of the Lord Jesus and I too am seeking Him to grow in grace and knowledge of Him. 

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